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Old 07-11-2007, 12:38 PM
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2007 Black Audi S4 with Prima

Today's detail is a great looking black Audi S4. From afar it looks pretty good, but look up close and you start to see the issues.
Because this detail ends after the sun is going down, the final pictures are taken during the golden hour and thus aren't in direct sunlight, however, to allay any fears that may be all just smoke and mirrors and trick photography, take a look at my test spot showing the significant improvement. My goals were to make the paint as flawless as possible regardless of whether being viewed under bright sunlight, under a streetlamp at night, or in the shade during the day, remove or minimize existing defects, and remove the haze off the finish to be crystal clear.

During the detail, the customer commented how great the finish looked in the shade, but horrible under the bright sunlight. I replied that you can't improve what you can't see. When I'm trying to do my absolute best on dark paints, I set up my custom lighting rig in a dark environment so that I can see the true condition of the paint as I work. This allows me to see the actual condition of the paint and achieve a nearly flawless finish under extremely critical lighting. And further it enables me to remove paint only in the areas that need correction.


The trunk lid has some bird poo damage and scratches.


You can see a very light amount of swirling.




But the paint has a haze over it. It doesn't look good at all!




One of the interesting details on this S4, the matte finish mirror.

The front wheels were covered in brake dust.

The rears weren't so bad.


I started by washing the paint using Prima Mystique and the two bucket method. I used Meguiar's Wheel Brightener on the wheels. I dried the car using mf waffle weave towels, and used air to blow water from all the crevices. Then I clayed the paint using Meguiar's Professional Mild Blue clay and Last Touch for lube. Then I used blue tape to tape up all the cracks and crevices and used the drying towels to cover the vents at the base of the windshield, the wipers and windshield.




The Hyperblue MINI on the right was another car I was working on.




The existing paint condition on the left shows the swirls. I initially thought I was going to just use the UDM for paint correction, but the test spot showed I needed a bit more power for the time that I had--so I ended up using my Makita RB with the LC CCS Orange Pad which I wasn't all that fond of. The pad worked fine, but eventually it gets saturated and I couldn't clean the pad with traditional means like holding a towel against the pad or using a brush. Guess washing it is the only way. I eventually ended up using the Orange VC pads and that worked fine. I used this pad with Prima Cut and Swirl. Then I polished using a special version of Prima Finish with a white pad, then Meguiar's M82 with a W9006 finishing pad on the rotary (debated between using Amigo and M82--and M82 seemed to give better results in this case), then Prima Swirl with the PC on the White Pad, then Prima Epic for LSP.

So that looks like
RB with Prima Cut and Swirl on LC Orange Pad
RB with Prima Finish (special) on LC White Pad
RB with Meguiar's M82 on Meguiar's W9006 Pad
UDM with Prima Swirl on LC White Pad
UDM with Prima Epic with LC Black Pad--two coats.

This shot shows the panel I'm working on from a bit further away--I use a two light system consisting of 50 watt halogens.


And finally the shots after about 9 hours of polishing. Glass was cleaned with Prima Clarity, chrome was cleaned up with Slick. Logos cleaned up with cotton swabs and Slick. Wheels were cleaned with Slick. Tires were dressed with Endurance High Gloss. Wheel wells were dressed with Hyperdressing.























The owner left extremely pleased with his "new finish". While these "golden hour" pictures show only the car in it's best light, I took great pains to ensure that every panel on the car looked as good as the test spot by going over every inch with my lights. Another tip is to change your viewing angle. Get on the ground and check over the car to change your vantage point. And once the car is outside in different lighting, you will surely see more areas that need wipe down that you didn't see before.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:41 PM
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Re: 2007 Black Audi S4 with Prima

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chrome was cleaned up with Slick.
Nice job and nice writeup (as usual).

Sorry for my ignorance, but what company makes "Slick". Haven't had anything with much chrome I needed to clean so I'm not familiar with it. Didn't see it on Maguire's page, and didn't get anything when I googled it.

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Re: 2007 Black Audi S4 with Prima

Thanks! Sorry, it's Prima's quick detailer--Prima Slick. I used it on the chrome to remove some water spots and dirt that built up--not for polishing. Sorry for the confusion.
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Nice job and nice writeup (as usual).

Sorry for my ignorance, but what company makes "Slick". Haven't had anything with much chrome I needed to clean so I'm not familiar with it. Didn't see it on Maguire's page, and didn't get anything when I googled it.

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Re: 2007 Black Audi S4 with Prima

The return of your write ups.

I've been waiting patiently reading and re-reading your older ones.

FANTASTIC JOB RICHARD!!!

I'd believe you about your car's finish, and would never doubt or think you would use trick photography to hide something or your work.

What is this special version of Prima Finish you speak of?

Sort of I guess a new batch being produced/tested out?

Great job. Looks so sharp now and as always you take amazing photos.
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Re: 2007 Black Audi S4 with Prima

Yeah I got a little burnt out on writeups. The last several cars I worked on, a black M6 convertible pix didn't turn out so well--the car was HOT! It was a very hot and long day, and the pix weren't really usable, so no writeup. I also restored a 2006 Hyperblue MCS, and took lots of Before Pix but usable no Afters, lol.

But tomorrow, I've got a Porsche to work on, so I expect to have some good shots there--since Jay will be able to take some pix for me!

re: Trick Photography
Yeah, I think I'm getting a little jaded. I see so many writeups from people on other forums that emphasize the gloss after the detail but don't show proof of quality of finish, so I start to critique myself!

re: Prima
It's called Finish Soft which was developed for extremely soft paints. I've used it a few times on very scratch sensitive paints. So far the results are positive, but not earth shattering. Prima said it won't ever make it to market because it costs too much to manufacture, so in the mean time I get to play with it.

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The return of your write ups.

I've been waiting patiently reading and re-reading your older ones.

FANTASTIC JOB RICHARD!!!

I'd believe you about your car's finish, and would never doubt or think you would use trick photography to hide something or your work.

What is this special version of Prima Finish you speak of?

Sort of I guess a new batch being produced/tested out?

Great job. Looks so sharp now and as always you take amazing photos.
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Re: 2007 Black Audi S4 with Prima

Richard you produce some of the most consistent and amazing work out there.

You always have awesome shots through your amazing photography skills, and that just futher shows and gives proof of the quality of work you do.

Personally, I always try and show the same shot in my after pics as I took in my before. But I've seen other forums where its totally different or really far away etc...ah well. I know what I do and that's good for me.

I sometimes think I'm my worst enemy in terms of being so critical and hard on myself etc...but sometimes, there is nothing we can do, and that is the best we can get. ie. if the customer declines rotary, well than I achieved the best possible result(s) with the best possible tools/technique available.

But don't be so hard on yourself.

Your work is AMAZING!!!

Maybe its just me, but I constantly read your older write ups when I'm starting a new car to see if you did one like the I'm one doing to see what you did on it.

I'll vote for more write ups PLEASE!!!

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Thanks! Sorry, it's Prima's quick detailer--Prima Slick. I used it on the chrome to remove some water spots and dirt that built up--not for polishing. Sorry for the confusion.
Ah! Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: 2007 Black Audi S4 with Prima

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I'll vote for more write ups PLEASE!!!
I second that motion! I've spent hours going through your write-ups and the Show Off section since discovering this site. I am amazed at what you all are able to achieve.

Indeed, a less honorable detailer could take something like the Mustang or Camaro you restored, keep it for a week, and return it to the owner with an invoice for a new paint job! It's hard to believe you can achieve these results with just polish and wax (well, polish and wax and lots of knowledge, time and energy).
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